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Supporting a Large Bust 2

Supporting a Large Bust, part 2

I wasn't planning for my first article on supporting a large bust to be a series, but all your great comments made me want to explore the subject a little more. We will begin right where we stopped, same pattern, same guinea pig, and try some different things.

I have always wanted to experiment with gussets for big cup sizes, so we will try to achieve something great with these. I will also attempt to have the busk sit against the sternum, I don't know yet if it will be possible as I don't believe there will be room for it between the breasts, but I'm always up for testing, even if I don't succeed on all counts!

Emilie was so in love with the final mock-up from the last article that she ordered a corset made after it, so I am able to show a finished corset made with all the theories I developed in the previous article. She fell in love with a cream damask I had in stock, and resisted strongly against using black, so after a little bit of searching through my fabrics, maroon silk was the winner. Outlined with cream lace and cream silk bias, I'm completely in love with those two colors! Isn't she gorgeous?

Emilie in her cream and maroon corset

 

Before and After

Now that an actual corset exists, we can see the results of our changes. Let's compare the old pattern with this new and improved one on all the points that were discussed last time.

1- Half laced front

The front follows the curve of the breast beautifully, and we have gotten rid of that last deep wrinkle.

We made it without a busk and closed the front, but it would work the same with a busk, as I used steel bones of the same width.

1- Half laced front

2- Higher breast

I actually like both versions. I think this is a matter of taste: the green one helps visually reduce the size of her bust, whereas the other one outlines it.

3- Double boning at the front

With more bones, the front is smoother and has less wrinkles, because the fabric is not doing most of the support work any more.

Emilie also said that "the more bones, the better", and that it feels great to have a lot of support in that area.

Higher breast and Double Boning at the Front

4- Higher back and higher underarms

We avoid the little flesh bumps on the sides, and overall the back is smoother.

Higher Back and higher underarms.

 

So let's review the pattern again. You should also know that I altered it slightly, first at the breast because I thought it needed about 5mm more room for her breast to avoid that little "bump" outlined on the photo below, and secondly, Emilie liked her tummy a bit flatter, so that extra cm I added in the low hip area at the front was taken away again.

The Pattern from last time 5mm more room added for her breast to avoid that little "bump" I outlined on the photo

 

Gussets Part 1

We took some pictures without the lacing at the front, just to see if the support was good enough and also to have an idea of how much we'll have to add to close the front completely. As you can see, not much is missing.

Cream and Maroon corset, unlaced

 

So she put the mock-up back on so that we could do a little measuring.

The mockup Measureing the gap on the mockup

 

 

We settled for a 4cm ( 1 5/8" ) gusset. The pattern now looks like this, I only put one "big" gusset on each side for this first test.

We settled for a 4cm ( 1 6/10" ) gusset. The pattern now looks like this, I only put one "big" gusset on each side for this first test.

 

The mock-up with the new gusset. The gussets served their purpose by filling the gap, but the busk is not flat against the sternum. When I laced her up, the the fabric was pulled towards the back, which made the busk pop out even more.  Emilie said that her breasts were not held tightly anymore and that she'd lost the sensation of good support we achieved before. We even tried unlacing a little bit to see if less tension would solve this but it only made the whole thing a bit looser.

The mock-up with the new gusset. The mock-up with the new gusset.

 

 

Desperate Times, Desperate Measures

While we were at it, we even tried a few crazy things without success, at this point we had nothing to lose ;-) . We tried placing two grommets at the top of the corset, and then at the nipple level.  I don't think those helped much, but it pointed us towards the fact that maybe straps would be needed.

With two grommets placed really high With two grommets placed at the nipple level

 

The Busk Question ...

So I tried to find a solution to one of our main problems and came to the conclusion that the busk is too long (too high) and that maybe with a shorter one the top would not pull as hard as before and the busk could then sit where we want it to sit.

Here we go, with a shorter busk, the top right at the bust level. Hum...This is not helping as much as I expected, the breasts look even more separated but I do find the overall shape more harmonious.

With a shorter busk, now stopping the top front right at the bust level. With a shorter busk, now stopping the top front right at the bust level. With a shorter busk, now stopping the top front right at the bust level.

 

 

Gussets Part 2

Considering the previous pictures and the fact that the front gussets were pulled back much more then expected, I tried adding a second gusset on the sides because I thought this might help. At this point, because of all the centimeters we added at the front, I started taking some out from the back, so we could still close the corset snugly.

With a second gusset added With a second gusset added With a second gusset added

 

Shoulder Straps

Technically, there is enough room for her breast now for the busk to sit against the sternum, but unfortunately their weight is making them fill all the space and push the breast area on the sides, so we are actually losing all the things we worked for on the first article. Once again we played with straps and ribbons to to hold everything higher in an attempt to make the busk sit flat against the sternum. You can see from the unused eyelets that we tried a number of things.

The shoulder straps are actually really helpful and the neck one helps to push the busk back, but of course we would like it to stand like that on its own. The shoulder straps do create really pretty, round breasts. I think I would prefer some wider ones, integrated in the pattern rather then the ones we knocked up with the ribbons. It would be much more pretty on the shoulder and not "cutting" it like it's doing here.

This also points towards the fact that maybe the mock-up needs to be more heavily boned. Right now the bones are not secured properly in their channels and perhaps it's emphasising our problem, because the pictures with and without the straps really show that the gussets are correct, the fit is correct, the heights are correct...

The mockup with shoulder straps, to hold the busk tight against the sternum The mockup with shoulder straps, to hold the busk tight against the sternum

 

 

Heavy Boning

If you remember in the previous article I was suggesting double boning for the front half, at minimum, to give a secure feeling. But this mock-up was just simply boned, perhaps creating more problems, so I added more bones and secured them with top and bottom stitches.

With more bones and secured them with top and bottom stitches. With more bones and secured them with top and bottom stitches.

 

It's better, but not as much as I thought it would be. I decided to take away a few cm of width at the top of the corset thinking that maybe, in the end, we added too much fabric with the gussets.

A few cm removed at the top of the corset

And then back to the shoulder straps, because they really helped to support the weight.

With the shoulder straps, because they really helped to support the weight.

But the side view wasn't pretty, so I didn't keep them.

But the side views were not pretty, so I did not keep them.

 

Conclusion

Gussets are a great way to achieve a more separated look at the bust, but considering the weight of ample breasts, I do believe it's better to use shoulder straps. I also considered steel bones, but I'm afraid they would push everything up a bit too much, and we would be back to square one with the overall fit. In the end, my favorite look was with two gussets, low busk and shoulder straps. Maybe I'd just make the cleavage a bit more heart-shaped to cover the breasts more, but once again this is a matter of taste.

My favorite look: two gussets, low busk and shoulder straps My favorite look: two gussets, low busk and shoulder straps

 

Concerning the Crumb Graveyard...

Well as you can see I tried and tried and tried! I was really trying to obtain a great result with gussets, as well as have the busk sit against the sternum, and we came close to it. If you really do not want any space between your breasts I think a cup corset might be a solution. We discussed this with Emilie and she said that even her best fitting bra was not 100% against the sternum so I'm still not convinced for really big cups that it can be done.

On a more personal note, I prefer what we did in the first article because her breasts were closer together, whereas here they are really apart (even if I'll admit that the shoulder straps helped reduce that). 

I also believe I could have used smaller gussets and achieved a much better support even without the shoulder straps, but the fact that I was trying to do both (gussets AND busk against the sternum) at the same time made me use the bigger gussets. Well... maybe a part 3 on that?

Once again a big thank you to Emilie.

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granate 19.11.2011 14:51  
Yes No   Fantastic, again. And yes, Emilie is both a great sport, and just LOVELY! Thank you for sharing your knowledge so generously. The finished corset is stunning.  
 
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hepziba 11.12.2011 22:15  
Yes No   I'm hoping for a number 3 article about cupped corsets as there isn't one online yet... And I want to make one for a well endowed costumer... ;)
Thanks so much for the most helpfull tips you've already given!
 
 
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eikhell 08.02.2012 13:08  
Yes No   Hepziba de Vries said :
I'm hoping for a number 3 article about cupped corsets as there isn't one online yet...


I actually believe that with MARK GARBARCZYK's article on bra's you can make a cup corset.

/bra-making/161-bras-determining-your-size

Once you have the cup size and fit all done, the rest is basically a classic corset.

We should ask Mark to write an article about cup corset, his knowledge of bra making should be a great advantage! wink
 
 
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devilmaycare34 08.03.2012 15:05  
Yes No   I love it, and her figure. I have a very similar figure except she is taller than me. Once uni is over I'm going to start making stuff for myself and dressing myself while I can.  
 
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obstruct 08.09.2012 18:19  
Yes No   If her best fitting bra is not against her sternum, she is probably not wearing the right size bra. I had that problem forever, and had no idea that the underwire could or should fit against my sternum. I have similar measurements to the ones you described for her in the previous article (for me 43" bust, w/ 33" underbust and 32" waist), and I wear a UK 34HH (which is apparently about a Dx9), or sometimes a 32J. There are a number of websites (I've purchased from HerRoom, BreakoutBras, and BareNecessities ) that sell bras in upper-range sizes like that, and most major cities in the US have at least one specialty store (such as Intimacy). I'm not sure about France, but most of the bra-makers in that size range seem to be from France and Britain.  
 
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plumetis 01.12.2012 07:32  
Yes No   Bravo!
Superbement détaillé...ça encourage!
 
 
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jacquelinew 07.07.2013 04:42  
Yes No   making sure the bust is big enough will make it possible for the corset to sit at the sternum but does not give it the support to stay there without straps. i think a bra underwire under the breast might add some of the suport needed to keep the corset against the sternum.  
 
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sophiagb 16.10.2013 00:26  
Yes No   I just had a thought. And it certainly hasn't been tested out thoroughly or really researched very well so correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't they have separated breasts with a flat busk in between during the regency period? And then didn't they have diagonal boning pressed up against the breast to prevent the breast from moving sideways? So as an additional boning what if you used sprung steel just past the breasts, maybe before actually, angling them towards the busk. Forgive me if I didn't explain myself well. I loved this article it's super helpful. :)  
 
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jjelsewear 07.12.2013 18:07  
Yes No   I love these articles! It helped me understand what I was doing wrong for my first corset. But as I reread this one in particular, I think I see where the problem lies. When the additional gusset was added, it may have been placed incorrectly. From my research and experimenting into bra making, to make the center lay flat, the cup should open either from the center or in intermittent intervals (gussets) across the breast mass from the center 1" to 3" underbust region below the breast. The breast will then fall into the newly widened pocket (like when you spread your fingers around a baseball) and the center should sink in. I think if the toile were retried with either hypothesis, there could be success!  
 
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