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Letters, Questions & Advice: December 2009

William Hogarth, The Staymaker, 1744I can't believe that it's December already and that the Holiday season is almost upon us!

There are two questions this month. One on patterning/fitting a corset for a figure where the waist is almost as big as the hips. The other is on horizontal boning channels in 18th century corsets.

We also share a letter we received from a reader were she shares what she likes and what she'd like to see more of. Read it and see if you agree!

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. with your questions, letters and advice by January 1st, 2010 for next month's column.

 

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From the Editor:

Do you have an antique corset that you'd like to photograph and write up like Jema and Danine have? Please email the Editor with details and we'll get you on the schedule in 2010.

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Gwen asks

I've made a few corsets for myself and while I feel that I have the construction aspects down, the fitting is something that eludes me. I'm very generously proportioned and carry much of my weight in my belly.

When drafting a corset, how do I find the balance between being true to my waist measurement (which often equals my hip measure) and creating a corset that will create a visible waist?

Gwen

Hi Gwen, I know this problem well. At first glance, the obvious solution is to start taking a little off the waist on each piece, or simply drafting the pattern as if you had a smaller waist measurement in the first place.

However, I think you may be talking about the same issue my partner Demi has - an apple shaped figure, where your weight is carried at the front and pulling that in across your belly, halfway down like a sack of potatoes, is very uncomfortable indeed.

I have made a corset for Demi, and it was somewhat successful, but I do hear you on the difficulties of fitting plus size figures; I still consider them a challenge now so don't for a moment think that there's something wrong with your skill level. My solution with Demi's waist was to think of the "waist" - the narrowest part of the corset - being in the same place as her underbust. That, she told me honestly, is the narrowest part. We smoothed down over her belly and made that part as flat as possible with straight pieces, whilst also keeping it comfortable, making sure the corset covered her belly at the bottom edge.

Don't think of trying to force your figure into the standard shape; think instead of enhancing what you have, a subtle but important difference.

There are some terrible flaws in Demi's corset that I'm still not happy with, but my second attempt should be happening in early 2010, workload permitting! Good luck!

Best wishes, Cathy Hay

 

Dear Gwen,

I would strongly suggest looking at trying some different styles of corset to give you a better defined waist.

Later Victorian period corsets with the separate "Hip Bucket" piece seem to work better on larger figures as they create a definite line between the waist and the hip. A corset that smooths over this line using just vertical pattern pieces will always struggle to create a good looking waist unless there is a big difference in the measurements already.

If you have a good squeezability factor around your middle ;0 you should be able to reduce it substantially more than your hip measurements. Typically I draft a corset pattern that is only 1-2" smaller on bust and hip (to avoid "muffin top") and 4-6" smaller on the waist. Another very flattering style is that of the "wench type" flat fronted stays which make the most of cleavage, allowing the spread of the tabs to give a nice illusion of a much smaller waist.

You can also use other excellent optical tricks, such as creating a beautifully over curvy front panel in a lighter contrasting fabric to the rest of the corset. Or try cutting shot fabrics on different grains to reflect light in different ways in the panels.This really works, as well as making a more exciting corset.

Jema Hewitt

 

Gwen,

I feel that to reduce/supress a waist more than two inches is moving from corsetry as it was worn to 'tight lacing,' which is another field! That poor flesh has to go somewhere and to quote my grandmother, "If your stays are too tight, it shows in your face."

Why not use the construction lines and boning flatteringly? You say you are 'generously proportioned,' so why not let the focus of the corset be on your bust?

 

Jill Salen

 

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Tomi writes:

Since joining this site (and YWU) my sewing skills have improved dramatically. I am entirely self-taught--which means, of course--that learning has been a looooong road of trial and error, waste, blood (sometimes on white fabrics), sweat (please silk, don't unravel...), and tears (realizing the fashion fabric just couldn't survive multiple seam removals).

Most of what I have learned about corset making has come from the historically accurate instructions that come with my favorite patterns, but try as she might, the pattern maker couldn't teach me *everything* I need or want to know. Information in my rural Tennessee community is pretty scarce (try to find Norah Waugh at any of the local libraries...buahahah) and as the dedicated mother of a vivacious toddler and with another babe due in March, relaxing trips to any museum that might have extant examples for study is equally laughable. I rely heavily on internet study for information and this site has already proven to be an excellent resource for me, certainly already worth the subscription fee.

In that spirit, I thought you all might like to know, from an amateur's point of view, what exactly has been the most helpful for me and some points I'd love to see elaborated on in future editions.

What I love:

1.) Picture tutorials and drawings. The Charles Bayer corset article with both Jema and Cathy's interlocking and French seams is very illuminating for an amateur. Until now, I have not seen examples of how to do either that I was able to make any sense of. Oh, and I'm very excited to start attempting to draft my own. Thank you Cathy, for that wonderfully sober tutorial :)

2.) Articles with other corset makers. I think it's very important to see that there isn't an exact one-way to make a strong, beautiful garment. I've seen many of these people's wares online and have often wondered what their particular approach was/is VS another makers. It's not always easy to see the detail work in online pictures so the discussion is very helpful.

3.) Business discussion. People approach this in different ways and I love to see what motivates other makers. Personally, I'm on the 5-year plan. When my children are no longer at risk of death because I forget to put away the pin cushion THAT'S when I'll start really marketing my wares and consider going pro. For now I'll be satisfied with building my name locally and really honing my skills.

What I'd love to learn more about:

1.) Detailed discussion of seaming techniques and examples of when or when not, to use them. Example, what are the best options to use on a gusseted garment? How about one with deep curves?

2.) Starch. The most tidy-looking corsets I've seen so far appear to have been starched and pressed. Any tricks on how a home-sewer can trick this out?

3.) Flatlining VS basting VS fusing. Which one to do and why? (I've been basting my fashion fabrics to the strength layer; is that going to result in a shorter corset life?)

4.) Curved bust gores. Come on, everybody is chicken about these and I love'em! I've made two corsets from the 1830's (Past Pattern's #708) that had inset gores in both the hips and bust, but they were triangular shaped and provided a bust line that was not to my liking. I thought it would be a simple matter to just raise the bust line and curve the insert to make more of a cup (like Cooly's Cork corset at Laracorsets.com) but after several attempts I couldn't get them inserted in a clean way. Any ideas? Help!

Thanks again for such amazing and helpful collection of ideas and inspiration~

Cheers!

Tomi

 

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Laura writes:

Dear FR,

I'm looking at making the 1776 stay in Corsets and Crinolines. I've made a few Victorian corsets but not 18thc ones. I had a few questions about the boning which maybe you could help me with.

In some of the stays there is vertical boning going up the front of the stay but also horizontal boning going across the bust. What is the best way to do the two different directions of boning when making a stay? When making the boning channels do you split the vertical boning channel and use two different pieces of vertical bone for above and below the horizontal channel or do you leave a little gap in the channels to allow them to cross over each other? Hope its not too silly a question but I'm just not sure what the best way to do it is!

Thanks very much for your help!

Kind Regards

Laura

 

Dear Laura,

I have only made repro stays for film and theatre and personal use, so I've always used rigiline for the front full boned panel piece. Of course you can sew right over rigiline, although you do need to hold it in the right curve as you sew the horizontal boning on. I always sewed all the verticals first then held the panel in shape while I machined the horizontal pieces right on top of the others.

I suspect that, much like making tabs, this is one of those things that was actually a lot easier when sewing by hand as the original stays would have been!

You definitely don't want to split the bones at the horizontal or vertical "joins", as that will cause the corset to kink at the cut point.

If you definitely wanted to use cane or synthetic whalebone, I think I'd probably draw up a grid where the boning was to go, onto the back of the double thickness of fabric. Then sew all the silhouttes, sewing squares and triangles, constantly stopping and cutting the thread when one shape was complete, and starting the next shape (kind of like drawing round each pane in a window rather than trying to draw the frame...) leaving the cross sections like neat little open crossings, then thread the bonings both up and across.

 

Jema Hewitt

 

Laura,

If you are making up the stays as they would have been, it is easier to achieve.

On one pair of stays I have looked at, the lining was unpicked and I could look inside. The vertical bones had been sewn between two layers, then a third layer was added and the vertical bones inserted there. Attention was paid by the maker to ensure that the stays were aesthetically pleasing to look at from the outside.

It becomes more difficult when recreating for performance as the maker is hoping to find a quick method to emulate the original method - so far I have not found one!

Any stays I have viewed have always been rigid and glue has usually been used. They always seem to be such rigid garments; I am unsure whether this total rigidity is due to time passing or if they were actually this rigid when first worn. I have reconstructed many of the 'corsets' I have viewed, but have not done so with the earlier stays - I just used their patterns for creating costumes for performance. I do not think my hands could stand the wear and tear necessary to reconstruct one!

 

Jill Salen

 

Hi Laura,

My experience with that pattern started with using Rigilene years ago, and that was a piece of cake to machine over; you just boned vertically, laid a horizontal piece over the top and machined that sucker down right over the first set of boning.

I'm guessing you want to go a little more authentic than that! Unfortunately it gets a little more complex here. I believe the consensus is still to bone vertically from top to bottom, and then add horizontal boning channels, sewing (possibly by hand) between the bones.

 

Cathy Hay

 


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